the Pope, in his recent visit to Cuba, remarked that Communism no longer corresponds to reality.....

in trying to understand this, i surmised that the meaning of this claim posits that Communism is no longer practical in our present conditions...

but, i would say, the principles of communism is very much applicable to the present situation: the capitalistic force that's eating up the dreams of the many.... and i'd say catholicism isn't helping much in alleviating the "suffering" we are in...

what do you say? :-)

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i cant say much of anything here... communism and catholicism are in 2 different planes. you cannot compare the 2... all i can say that both does not need to instruct what people needs to do with their lives. 

i agree with the point that religion and communism have politics ... :-)

and the way we see politics "now", greed is always inherent ... :-)

catholicism right now (especially in the Philippines) have its power to change what people think. and even control their decisions (sige magkakasala ka!) 

for communism its like labor for the country and it will be equally distributed. except for me. im your ruler. though there is no rich or poor, and discipline will be maintained, people may live in fear in opposing the ruling force. no voice. 

a wealth of a nation does not determine the value of its people and the values of the people is not determined by the wealth of its nation.

BTW, we always see the better side of other countries because they are OTHER COUNTRIES. it is not only china that have a communist government:

present communist countries:

Cuba

Laos

Vietnam

see the communist counties in :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state

then judge if it communism works good.

a wealth of a nation does not determine the value of its people and the values of the people is not determined by the wealth of its nation. - (parang pareho lang ang ibig sabihin bru ... :-)  ) ... but yeah, this is true ...

 

values of (the) people are not solely relied on the society's economic status, though it could have a great effect on how people value things ...

 

and as far as i know (forgive my understanding again), a nation run by people who adhere to communism isn't necessarily the same with a nation which has gained/is in a state of communism ... :-)

the principles and ideology of communism cannot attributed to the suffering we have today...una..palagay ko nun isulat ni marx ang prinsipyo o konsepto ng komunismo ay puro kabutihan ng tao ang nasa utak at puso nia.wala ka kasing mahihikayat na indibidwal o grupo na maging panatiko kung puro flaw ang makikita nila. that's why i presumed na maganda at makatao un ideology nia.kahit di ko ito nabasa.

ang nagiimplemento ng idelohiya at ang paraan ng paggmplemento ang me pagkakamali cguro. me pumapasok na pansariling dahilan, o pang grupong rason pra un idelohiya ay maliin o ipiling ng konti at gaagwan ng teknikalidad pra maabot ang nais nia o nila. sila ay lumilihis pra sa pansariling interes.

ganun din ang katolismo ( katoliko o anuman relihiyon ) ito ay pinamumunuan kunyare ng isang tao pero ang nagpapagalaw nito ay grupo, jan na pumapasok ang pang sariling o grupong interes.

group and individual ideology will be forever be there to pursue their ideals and dreams ,hindi un ideyalismo , hindi un kung anu ..kundi nasa nagpapatupad nito ang problema.

makibaka..wag matakot..nyahahaha

may tama ka padre ... hehehe .... kaya para sa akin, kung tinitingnan ko kasi ang mga nangyayari/pangyayari, siguro maganda kung isagawa natin ang mga prinsipyo ng "communism" na tulad ng naisip ni marx ... (ang punto kasi ng "capitalism" sa aking pag unawa ay tayong mga manggagawa ay gumagawa ng dapat nating gawin, pero ang kabuuan/mas marami kesa sa hindi ng resulta(product,net worth, etc.) ng ating ginawa ay mapupunta sa mga iilan (capitalists, investors,power-holders, etc.. - ito iyong tinawag ni marx na "alienation of man from the fruits of his labor) ... at sa aking palagay, pwede namang hindi magkontrahan ang relihiyon(katolisismo) at mga ideya sa kumunismo, pero ito ay naisasagawa lamang kapag gusto ng hindi lang ng mga nasa otoridad(people in authority and power) kundi pati na rin ng mga tao sa isang bansa/bayan ... :-)

nak ng tokwa bata arey... abay sinagot ko lang un forum nia eh me tama pa ko..haist!

kaw na din nagsabi na na naisasagawa lang ito kung gusto ng namumuno at ng taong bayan...problema gusto ng karamihan pero di alam panu gagawin at walang kakayahan kontrahin ang namumuno..so this will be remain fantasy!!! unless otherwise patayin ang lahat ng matatanda at 4 na taon gulang na lang ang buhayin.doktrinahan ng naayun sa tama..tsk masasali ako dito haist ( mapili sana ako magdodoktrina )

sa kapitalismo naman ..eh elite un me pera sila me kapital elite din namumuno pangsariling interes ulit dito, ang matatalino nga ginagamit lang ng nangangapital un utak nila at binabayaran sa di pa sapat na halaga.. ito ang realidad... so let join hands at baguhin natin..!!!

tuwad na!!!

hahahaha

hahahha ..."may tama = may wasto" ... lels ...

may tama ka ulit padre ... hehehe ... sa ngaun fantasy pa siguro, pero nagagawa namang katotohanan ang fantasy, hehehe ... 

pag ikaw magdodoktrina, pipila ako sa dodoktrinahan .... :-)

hahaha ang me tama kasi samin eh..me katok..nak ng tokwa hahaha

boom ayun na naman me tama na naman ako

..ayus yan mangarap..walang e-vat hahaha.

lika iho..magpatuli na tyo..pila na sa doktrina.

sakit na bangs ko! yuko na! hahaha 

hay naku! 

kakasakit kyo ng kuyukut ha!

ang cucute nyo hihi!

Communism and Catholicism are really different from each other.. but Communists used Catholicism as a tool to infiltrate the society to attain their main objective which is to topple the government and rule.. Catholicism is pro-poor; hence, Communists took advantage of this as they rallied on equality.. but is their really an equality in Communism. Philippine Communism is mostly patterned on Mao's ideology, the armed struggle and the people's protracted war... Are communists really pro-poor or for equality? Do we have any idea where and what schools do children of CPP, NPA and NDF leaders attend? Do we have any idea how much do they collect from our poor farmers, businessmen, politicians, and private companies for their armed struggle? Have we realized that instead of tilling their lands, they carried arms to support their stomach- indolence...? Communism has never been democratic, we don't have the right to say No in Communism...  Makibaka....ha ha ha..      

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